Legislature(2003 - 2004)

05/14/2003 01:41 PM House FIN

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HOUSE BILL NO. 293                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     An Act levying and collecting a state sales and use                                                                        
     tax; and providing for an effective date.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE JOHNSON, UTAH STATE TAX  COMMISSIONER, observed that he                                                                   
is the Co-Chair of the Implementing  Group of the Streamlined                                                                   
State Sales Tax group and provided  information on the issue.                                                                   
He  stated  that whether  a  sales  tax  was adopted  was  an                                                                   
individual  state  policy,  but  encouraged  the  streamlined                                                                   
sales  tax  system.  He  discussed  his  experience  advising                                                                   
businesses  on  local  sales  tax  provisions.  He  gave  the                                                                   
example of a sales tax provision  in New York State that made                                                                   
a single item either  taxed or exempt at the  discretion of a                                                                   
retailer. He explained that the  streamlined sales tax system                                                                   
unified  state  definitions,  making  regulations  consistent                                                                   
throughout  the country.  He expressed  his  belief that  the                                                                   
streamlined  system was  beneficial. He  speculated that  the                                                                   
number of returns  filed would be reduced, and  that software                                                                   
services  would   be  available  to  help  states.   He  also                                                                   
maintained   that  the   system  was   beneficial  to   local                                                                   
retailers,  since they  were otherwise  at a disadvantage  to                                                                   
retailers  outside  the  state   selling  electronically.  He                                                                   
maintained  that this  system created  a level playing  field                                                                   
for local  merchants. He  also stated  that the system  would                                                                   
ensure that the  tax would remain a viable  revenue source in                                                                   
the future. He  concluded that the streamlined  sales tax was                                                                   
the best system to choose.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kerttula  asked  whether he  had  experienced                                                                   
other states, which  had never had a sales tax,  but rather a                                                                   
number  of non-uniform  taxes across the  state. Mr.  Johnson                                                                   
noted  that   Colorado,  Alabama   and  Arizona   have  local                                                                   
administration of sales tax, where  local governments collect                                                                   
their own tax and in some cases  the tax base is not the same                                                                   
as for  the state. He has  also practiced in  Colorado, which                                                                   
had different exemptions  at a state and municipal  level. He                                                                   
stressed that  while the  local governments maintained  local                                                                   
rule,  since they  believed it  was superior,  that it  was a                                                                   
difficult situation for businesses.  He felt that this led to                                                                   
the   Supreme  Court's   ruling,   which  required   physical                                                                   
presences in a  state before a sales tax could  be collected.                                                                   
He stated  that there  was no  state with situations  exactly                                                                   
like Alaska,  but noted  other states  were working  with the                                                                   
problem. He reiterated the benefits of the system.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kerttula  asked  whether  the  exemptions  or                                                                   
their  definitions  must be  uniform  among  the states.  Mr.                                                                   
Johnson  clarified   that  a  state  may  choose   their  own                                                                   
exemptions, but  that the definitions of exemptions  would be                                                                   
uniform.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Persily asked  whether, under  the streamlined  program,                                                                   
there  would be  prohibition  in  a municipality  against  an                                                                   
excise  tax, such  as bed tax,  car rental  tax. Mr.  Johnson                                                                   
stated that  there would not be.  He noted that in  Utah, the                                                                   
state retained the right for excise taxes.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Williams asked what was  required to pass the system                                                                   
into law. Mr.  Johnson noted that the system  would come into                                                                   
effect when  ten states were  participating, but  would still                                                                   
be voluntary for  merchandisers that did not  have a physical                                                                   
presence  in the  state.  For it  to be  mandatory,  Congress                                                                   
would have to take action.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Williams asked  how  exemptions  were decided.  Mr.                                                                   
Johnson  responded  that  Utah made  the  minimum  conforming                                                                   
decisions, keeping  in place  their previous exemptions,  but                                                                   
fine-tuning  the  system  to  be  in  conformation  with  the                                                                   
unified definitions. He pointed  out that Alaska faced a more                                                                   
daunting task.  He concluded  that the intent  was not  for a                                                                   
uniform task, but to make the tax uniformly convenient.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker  asked   for  clarification  that  the                                                                   
statewide sales tax  system did not have dominion  over local                                                                   
decisions.  Mr. Persily  confirmed  that the  system did  not                                                                   
prohibit existing  or new excise taxes in  municipalities. He                                                                   
pointed out  that if  a municipality desired  to tax  an item                                                                   
that was exempt statewide, they  would simply adopt an excise                                                                   
tax.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Meyer asked whether  a bed or car rental tax would                                                                   
be left  up to municipalities.  Mr. Persily pointed  out that                                                                   
those cities  with current excise  taxes, but that  under the                                                                   
bill, the State would also implement  its use tax in addition                                                                   
to  those taxes.  Vice-Chair  Meyer  clarified  if the  State                                                                   
could  implement   a  statewide   excise  tax.   Mr.  Persily                                                                   
confirmed that this was true.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Williams called a Committee Recess at 2:01 PM.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
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Co-Chair Williams reconvened the meeting at 9:30 PM.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
JOHN   MACKINNON,   DEPUTY   COMMISSIONER,    DEPARTMENT   OF                                                                   
TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC FACILITIES  provided information on                                                                   
the motor fuel tax provision of  HB 293. The current .08-cent                                                                   
a  gallon  would be  raised  to  .20  cents per  gallon.  The                                                                   
current  .08-cent per  gallon  tax raises  approximately  $29                                                                   
million  dollars  a  year. The  increase  would  generate  an                                                                   
additional  $41  million dollars.  He  noted  that the  total                                                                   
raised by  the highway  user fee  would be approximately  $70                                                                   
million.   The  Department  of   Transportation  and   Public                                                                   
Facilities   currently   spends   $60  million   in   highway                                                                   
maintenance and  an additional  $50 million in  federal match                                                                   
for highway  construction, which  all comes from  the General                                                                   
Fund. He noted that 38 states  would still have a higher fuel                                                                   
tax than Alaska. The national  average is about .20 cents per                                                                   
gallon.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN RITCHIE, ALASKA MUNICIPAL  LEAGUE provided information.                                                                   
He noted  that a group  of municipal  officials had  met with                                                                   
the   Governor   and   offered    suggestions,   which   were                                                                   
subsequently   acted   upon   to   lesson   the   impact   on                                                                   
municipalities.  He stated that  the rewritten bill  was then                                                                   
reviewed,  and   a  few  concerns  were  raised.   The  first                                                                   
objection was  to the  exemption of sales  tax on  marine and                                                                   
motor fuel. He pointed out that  currently municipalities tax                                                                   
marine  and motor  fuel,  equaling  millions  of dollars  for                                                                   
municipalities.   He   stated    that   the   exemption   was                                                                   
problematic. The  second issue is  the concern raised  by the                                                                   
cap.  He explained  that  a number  of  municipalities had  a                                                                   
variety of caps, put in place  to encourage local business in                                                                   
that particular  community. He noted  that there was  talk of                                                                   
considering a lower  cap, which was then broadened.  He noted                                                                   
that  in car  sales, the  amount  of sales  tax might  effect                                                                   
where cars are purchased.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
JOANNE  ROOMSBERG, JUNEAU  SALES  TAX ADMINISTRATOR,  JUNEAU,                                                                   
spoke in  response to  a question  by Representative  Hawker.                                                                   
She explained  that presently Juneau  has a fuel  flowage fee                                                                   
that is  charged at the  municipal airport. Aviation  fuel is                                                                   
exempt  from the  city's general  sales tax.  She stated  her                                                                   
understanding that  the bill would  allow Juneau  to continue                                                                   
to implement a fuel excise tax.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ritchie pointed  out that Tom Boedeker was  the Committee                                                                   
Chair in the working group that  had raised concern about the                                                                   
effect on fuel taxes.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
In response  to a question  by Representative  Berkowitz, Ms.                                                                   
Roomsberg stated that a non-resident  exemption card could be                                                                   
purchased for a  cost of $20 dollars. The card  is good for a                                                                   
year. This  allows the purchase  of items that would  be used                                                                   
and consumed  outside of the city  and borough of  Juneau. It                                                                   
would not  qualify for items that  would be used  or consumed                                                                   
in  Juneau, such  as a  car rental  or  hotel room.  Tangible                                                                   
personal property  can be brought  into the city for  work or                                                                   
service, such as service on a car.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Harris  asked about the  position of  communities in                                                                   
support  of a  statewide sales  tax.  He asked  what kind  of                                                                   
relief   was    necessary   to    garner   acceptance    from                                                                   
municipalities. Mr.  Ritchie referred to testimony  in Senate                                                                   
Finance,    revolving    around   conflicts    foreseen    by                                                                   
municipalities. He  pointed out that at this time  not all of                                                                   
the  conflicts were  apparent. He  noted that  even in  cases                                                                   
when communities were not in favor,  they had suggestions for                                                                   
making it workable.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Harris asked  whether the  Alaska Municipal  League                                                                   
foresaw  a "roadblock"  to working  with the  sales tax.  Mr.                                                                   
Ritchie  maintained  that they  did  not  have a  history  of                                                                   
blocking legislation. Co-Chair  Harris observed that it would                                                                   
be helpful  for the Municipal  League to help  gather support                                                                   
for the tax.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ritchie pointed  out that the organization  was committed                                                                   
to helping meet the budget gap.  He stated that the Board had                                                                   
directed him to  work with the Legislature to  resolve issues                                                                   
surrounding the tax.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Berkowitz  asked  if the  Administration  had                                                                   
reviewed  other states  with overlapping  taxes. Mr.  Ritchie                                                                   
observed that Alaska was unique  in its taxation, as the only                                                                   
state with  a municipal  power to tax  sales without  a state                                                                   
sales tax.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kerttula asked  about  the level  of drop  in                                                                   
revenue  sharing.  Mr. Ritchie  responded  that  in the  past                                                                   
three years it  had remained level, and now it  had gone down                                                                   
by  25%.  Municipalities  received  $40 million  in  1986  as                                                                   
compared to the current $20 million.  Representative Kerttula                                                                   
asked how many  municipalities had raised their  sales tax in                                                                   
the last couple  of years. Mr. Ritchie thought  that three or                                                                   
four  municipalities had  raised  their  sales tax  including                                                                   
Dillingham, and Seward.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kerttula asked how  many communities  were at                                                                   
the cap  for property tax,  with a fairly  high sales  tax as                                                                   
well. Mr. Ritchie  observed that there is a  statutory cap of                                                                   
30 mils. Different communities  have revenue caps. Petersburg                                                                   
has a 10-mil  property cap, which  they are at. Juneau  has a                                                                   
cap of 12 mils,  and is currently at 11 mils.  In response to                                                                   
a  question by  Representative  Kerttula,  Mr. Ritchie  noted                                                                   
that the state assessor could  provide a list of property tax                                                                   
caps.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kerttula asked  about the range of exemptions.                                                                   
The  city  and  borough  of Juneau  has  37  exemptions.  Mr.                                                                   
Ritchie referred  to a list  of exemptions provided  in 1999,                                                                   
which  lays  out  most  of  the   exemptions.  Representative                                                                   
Kerttula asked  if there had been  a study on the  impacts on                                                                   
Juneau  of a  tax such  as that  contained  in the  Committee                                                                   
Substitute.  Ms.   Roomsberg  stated  that  Juneau   has  the                                                                   
difference in  the exemptions and  the tax base,  which would                                                                   
make it difficult to evaluate  the tax impact. She noted that                                                                   
several  aspects of  the  tax must  be  more clearly  defined                                                                   
before   a  more   comprehensive  study   could  occur:   the                                                                   
exemptions, incidents and tax base.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Meyer  asked how to  rate the three  major sources                                                                   
of  revenue, which  are before  the  Legislature: sales  tax,                                                                   
[capping  the] permanent  fund dividend,  and income  tax. He                                                                   
observed that a  sales tax and a state income  tax would take                                                                   
disposable income  out of the  economy, but pointed  out that                                                                   
capping permanent fund dividend  would also keep money out of                                                                   
the economy. He questioned Anchorage's  position. Mr. Ritchie                                                                   
referred  to a  poll by  the Southeast  Alaska Municipal  and                                                                   
Business Conference  and noted that,  as of 2:30  on 5/14/03,                                                                   
eight municipalities  were in  favor and  48 were opposed  to                                                                   
the proposed sales tax. Members  were asked to list the least                                                                   
objectionable revenue stream:  30 permanent fund earnings, 25                                                                   
income tax, and 2 sales.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker  asked  if municipal  revenue  sharing                                                                   
would be increased or decreased  as a result of the bill. Mr.                                                                   
Ritchie noted that  the bill allows the state  to appropriate                                                                   
6 cents  of the  gas tax  increase to  road revenue  sharing,                                                                   
which  would  raise  revenue  sharing  by  approximately  $18                                                                   
million. He  observed that this  year's reduction  to revenue                                                                   
sharing was $7 - $8 million. Representative  Hawker concluded                                                                   
that  the legislation  would increase  revenue  sharing by  a                                                                   
multiple  of the  current reduction.  He asked  the level  of                                                                   
property tax caps  in communities relying solely  on property                                                                   
tax.  Mr.  Ritchie thought  that  those  communities  relying                                                                   
solely on property tax had rates  of 18 to 20 percent. Juneau                                                                   
is at 11.5 - 12 mils.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ROD  PECK,  PRESIDENT  ALASKA   TRAVEL  INDUSTRY  ASSOCIATION                                                                   
testified  in  support  of  the  bill.  He  stated  that  his                                                                   
organization  represented  small  businesses  in  Alaska.  He                                                                   
stated  that tourists  spent 1.8 billion  on visitor  related                                                                   
activities.   His   industry   recognizes  the   fiscal   gap                                                                   
challenges  that the  legislature  faces, but  faces its  own                                                                   
challenges.  He  observed  that  there  was  a  reduction  of                                                                   
visitors to  the state. He anticipated  a further drop  of 10                                                                   
20 percent drop in visitors. He  suggested that a revitalized                                                                   
marketing  program would  turn  around the  trend. He  stated                                                                   
support  of the bill,  if amended  to include  a tourism  tax                                                                   
revenues to bolster the existing  state marketing program. He                                                                   
presented the committee with amendment  language, which would                                                                   
identify   tourism  tax   revenue   by  tracking   industries                                                                   
contributing to a marketing program.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Meyer  asked how much  revenue was estimated  as a                                                                   
result  of  the  amendment.  Mr.  Peck  observed  that  their                                                                   
research  indicates  that,  of  the $1.8  billion,  they  can                                                                   
identify  $920  million  in  activities  over  an  annualized                                                                   
period.  Vice-Chair Meyer  observed that  the car rental  tax                                                                   
bill  contained  a  clause  to  reappropriate  funds  to  the                                                                   
tourism  industry.  Mr. Peck  stated  that his  industry  was                                                                   
opposed to  targeted taxes,  and believed  that this  was the                                                                   
fairest tax since it was industry wide.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kerttula  asked   about  the  nature  of  the                                                                   
contract with Alaska Travel Industry  Association (ATIA). Mr.                                                                   
Peck observed that ATIA is in  the third year of a three-year                                                                   
plan that  would continue  into perpetuity.  They have  a $10                                                                   
million budget, of which $4 million  was in contribution from                                                                   
the state and $6 million is from  matching private funds. The                                                                   
budget in  year one and two was  $8.5 and $7 million,  with a                                                                   
greater percentage coming from the state.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker observed  that the proposed  amendment                                                                   
would deprive the  State of the tax from an  entire sector of                                                                   
the economy.  Mr. Peck stated  that this was not  true, since                                                                   
the  industry  generates $1.8  billion.  He stated  that  the                                                                   
amendment targets segments of  activities in the area of $900                                                                   
million.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker summarized that  the proposal  by ATIA                                                                   
would deprive the  state of revenue from a sub  sector of the                                                                   
economy, which  would benefit solely from  revenues collected                                                                   
from within it. Mr. Peck pointed  out that not all gift shops                                                                   
would  contribute due  to a  definition  of seasonality,  but                                                                   
acknowledged the  conclusion. Representative Hawker  asked if                                                                   
the amendment was acceptable to  the industry, and questioned                                                                   
why  they  had  not formed  a  trade  association  and  self-                                                                   
assessed for the same efforts.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Berkowitz  speculated that problems  attendant                                                                   
to  tourism marketing  also impeded  work in  this area.  Mr.                                                                   
Peck  confirmed  that  it was  difficult  to  reach  industry                                                                   
consensus.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
In response  to a  question by  Representative Kerttula,  Mr.                                                                   
Peck confirmed that  there were a variety of  excise taxes in                                                                   
the industry.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Williams  stated that  a committee substitute  would                                                                   
be available at the next Committee meeting.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HB  293  was   heard  and  HELD  in  Committee   for  further                                                                   
consideration.                                                                                                                  

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